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After the Convergence rotation, a red Vader deck seemed like the most viable option. In testing I had much more success with the FOST than I did with a Battle Droid and Retribution. I found the deck does pretty well against a lot of the current Standard meta decks, and had fun running this at the Denver GQ (4-2 Saturday).
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Megablaster Troopers are a not-terrible substitute for Fist, and Maul's Lightsaber is a perfectly acceptable standin. |
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Awesome guys, thanks for sharing. |
Any pointers on how to mulligan and then play the deck? |
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Redeploy weapons that are Vader-usable in Standard are terrible on FOST except for Heirloom and Megablaster puts out more damage across at least one additional die. The only other realistic support options are the Hailfire Tank, Umbaran Tank, and Ground Battalion, all of which walk themselves into Forsaken. The only thing that can actually match Fist if Vader dies is Planetary Bombardment, but the additional resource cost pushes it out of viability. I'm not saying Megablaster is as good as Fist, just that if I didn't have two Fists it's what I would use as a standin. |
As to playing the deck, I would advise not rushing to spend your resources on Fist or upgrades unless you still have some left over to pay for needed pay sides and mitigation. Naked Vader can win games by himself as long as you're able to mitigate and keep the damage coming. |
Palp naked ..lol |
I've been playing a Vader / Fist / Fighting Pit deck on TTS for a couple weeks and that battlefield sure does surprise folks. This build is much more refined - really great stuff. |
How important is Intimidate, and why not Soresu Mastery or Treasured Lightsaber? |
Why Seize the Day over Tactical Mastery? |
I don't think it's worth running Soresu Mastery or Treasured Lightsaber because the only upgrade Vader really needs is his saber. Spending resources on other upgrades like Soresu Mastery or Treasured Lightsaber would mean that you then don't have those much needed resources for pay sides etc. Plus, I found that those card slots are really needed for mitigation and aggro cards rather than upgrades.
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Hey Cheshire, Been playing this deck for a bit. Had a version of it before I saw this list but yours was a bit more event heavy. Seems the way to go tbh. However, in testing, I have found that I almost NEVER like seeing Vader's Fist. It is just too heavy a cost at most times. If I have the money, I usually want it for mitigation or for dice costs. I was thinking about cutting the fists and either running 2x Treasured Lightsaber or 2x Measure for Measure. I know FOST goes down quick usually, at least in games with heavy amounts of indirect damage (looking at you Aphra) but the ability to remove ANY die at 0 cost is so good. Have you had similar thoughts about that or the Vader's Fist? |
aint tactical mastery straight up better than seize the day ? |
Not when you got a dead FOST |
arh i see... Fair point! |
Yeah, the FOST is there for two Best Defense and any other indirect. No way you want to try to spot him late with that. |
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Any suggested substitutes for folks (my son) with only 1 DVL and 1 VF?